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title: 80% wholerye with soaker
author: Wouter
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date: 2012-07-21T12:22:32+00:00
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My 70% wholerye attempt did not turn out to be very disappointing for the first try – read more about it [here][2]. Mr. Hamelman provides a second healthy and earthy rye recipe in his book, but this time with 20% high gluten flour and a soaker of boiling rye flour instead of chopped rye flakes. The previous loaf had to be baked in a tin, this one could be (barely) shaped into a loose _boule_.
#  What you should look for
Since this is a rye bread, kneading, shaping and baking will be quite different from “traditional” wheat based breads. Well everything will be quite different in fact. I still need to learn how to control final proofing or fermentation time for rye bread myself, but there are a few tips I can think of – and posting these here might even help me in the future:
* Rye sour ideally ferments best at 28-30°C. That’s higher than I’m used to for wheat based breads. I usually ferment at “room temperature” (between 20 and 23°C). I preheated my microwave for a few seconds and put the container with the dough into the microwave. You’ll lose heat but it’s better than nothing.
I _think_, based on this, that it takes less time to proof loaves with rye.
* Rye absorbs a lot more water than wholewheat flour. That’s why you need  more water than usual, otherwise you’ll end up with a brick and start calling the dentist.
If your dough looks like a paste after mixing, that’s normal. It should be sticky (very).
* Kneading times are dramatically reduced because there’s little gluten to be formed for wholerye breads. There are still some gluten present but not much, and even the 20% added high gluten flour would not do much but slightly help the dough lift.
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[<img class=" " title="_MG_6514.jpg" src="https://lh6.ggpht.com/-GafdiO6VvQI/UAqZMIw7JrI/AAAAAAAAGYQ/7uB0YC8kO8A/s200-c/_MG_6514.jpg" alt="_MG_6514.jpg" width="200" height="200" />][3]<figcaption class="wp-caption-text">Initial mixing</figcaption></figure> <figure style="width: 200px" class="wp-caption alignleft">[<img class=" " title="_MG_6521.jpg" src="https://lh5.ggpht.com/-XAsxV2yEFrU/UAqZOqQwC1I/AAAAAAAAGYk/mDg6X66kb1Y/s200-c/_MG_6521.jpg" alt="_MG_6521.jpg" width="200" height="200" />][4]<figcaption class="wp-caption-text">Dough, a thick paste</figcaption></figure> <figure style="width: 200px" class="wp-caption alignleft">[<img class=" " title="_MG_6529.jpg" src="https://lh3.ggpht.com/-PsnbGZWldZ0/UAqZNmXWqjI/AAAAAAAAGYc/ANlYEZRWNw0/s200-c/_MG_6529.jpg" alt="_MG_6529.jpg" width="200" height="200" />][5]<figcaption class="wp-caption-text">Proofing as a boule</figcaption></figure>
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Recipe and time table
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Making this bread was not really difficult, the only challenging part it judging whether it&#8217;s ready to be baked or not. I think I underproofed the loaves quite a bit, @ 1 hour. All fermentation temperatures were +/- 30°C.
**the soaker**
1. 200gr wholerye flour
2. 200gr boiling water
Prepare the soaker at the same time you&#8217;re making the preferment. Mix and cover as quick as possible to avoid the water from escaping as steam.
**the preferment**
Use **35%** of your final amount rye in the preferment:
1. 350gr wholerye flour
2. 290gr water
3. 20gr mature rye sour (mine was at nearly **100%** hydratation)
If you want, you can let the preferment sit there for up to 24 hours. I&#8217;ve noticed the rye sour can take a lot more than a wheat based _levain_. I&#8217;ve let mine ferment for about 12 hours at room temperature.
**the final dough**
1. 250gr wholerye flour
2. 200gr high-gluten wheat flour
3. 290gr water
4. 1 tablespoon salt
5. your soaker & preferment
Bulk ferment: 1 hour, final proofing: 2 hours. (Mine was 1 hour short, turned out to be too flat). You will **not** notice a big oven spring. It should rise a bit though!<figure style="width: 200px" class="wp-caption alignleft">
[<img class=" " title="_MG_6538.jpg" src="https://lh6.ggpht.com/-kKd_6YbUrJc/UAqi8TSGl6I/AAAAAAAAGZI/QHvT9_2l49E/s200-c/_MG_6538.jpg" alt="_MG_6538.jpg" width="200" height="200" />][6]<figcaption class="wp-caption-text">Starting to get hungry now&#8230;</figcaption></figure> <figure style="width: 200px" class="wp-caption alignleft"><img class=" " title="_MG_6533.jpg" src="https://lh5.ggpht.com/-Cyep-jKHy98/UAqZMw0HIkI/AAAAAAAAGYU/f5BowUeolrw/s200-c/_MG_6533.jpg" alt="_MG_6533.jpg" width="200" height="200" /><figcaption class="wp-caption-text">Finished! looking good!</figcaption></figure> <figure style="width: 200px" class="wp-caption alignleft">[<img class="alignleft" title="_MG_6542.jpg" src="https://lh6.ggpht.com/-OmI5cDqT1hg/UAqZRjkBfhI/AAAAAAAAGY8/8C623zLEFUM/s200-c/_MG_6542.jpg" alt="_MG_6542.jpg" width="200" height="200" />][7]<figcaption class="wp-caption-text">A slice of rye.</figcaption></figure>
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[1]: https://redzuurdesem.be/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/MG_6545.jpg
[2]: https://redzuurdesem.be/70-rye-with-soaker/ "70% wholerye bread with soaker"
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